Wisdom

My long view, unlike others, is not one where Christian principles take the world (or Western Civilization) by storm and through blood and smoke we right this ship of iniquity. God said that’s His domain, and that He turned it over to Christ, and that Christ’s good work is already being done. We’re just waiting while Our Lord tarries. Yet when Our Lord returns, He most surely will make an end to all those who have not heeded His call.

Before Paul writes to the Corinthians about marriage, he writes of a situation in their church where a man is sleeping with his father’s wife.

5 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Catch that? The flesh belongs to Satan (That’s why we’re all going to die before we are reclaimed and resurrected.), but the Spirit rightfully belongs to Christ. Not only that, but the job of the destruction of the flesh belongs to Satan; not Cane; not Cane’s children; not SunshineMary’s church; not the Roman Catholics; not some future earthly king. Satan. If you are in the business of the destruction of the flesh, you’re in league with Satan. This isn’t hard to understand. It’s hard to hear; especially when you feel like you’re alone. There is no Magnificent Seven coming to save our earthly shells. (Foreshadowing likely posts to come, here).

By the way: “spirit” here means both “why you do what you do”, and “your essence”.

Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This is what Dalrock is talking about when he says,

Roissy and the other PUAs aren’t the ones who destroyed marriage. Feminists did with the enthusiastic support of modern Christians. There is nothing wrong with pointing out the very obvious sins of Roissy, but what I see very often is Christians focusing on Roissy’s sins as a sort of smokescreen to avoid accepting the profound failure of modern Christians to honor what God entrusted to us. “Look at Roissy’s sin!” is very often the prelude to “Nothing to see here (in Christianity) folks, move along!” That Roissy has anything to teach Christians about marriage should be deeply humbling to Christians. Very often instead the response is hubris and chest thumping about how morally superior Christians are to Roissy.

And this is true: Most Christians are eating not only with the old leaven of fornication and idolatry, but the new leaven of malice and wickedness; some by their desire to see their enemies dead, some by their desire to see others suffer, and some by their desire to imitate such activities from which we should rather desire to see them redeemed and forgiven.

This leaven was added to the fact that those Corinthians Christians were celebrating a member’s freedom from the Law in Christ to fornicate with his father’s wife since it wasn’t “against the Law”. Yes it was. The Law has been fulfilled, but it still exists, and fornication still goes against it. You might say you never do that because fornication with your mother-in-law is really creepy, but I wonder how many of us have congratulated a Christian brother on his marriage to a Christian woman who was previously married to another living Christian man? Is that man not sleeping with his living brother’s wife? How is it better to celebrate sleeping with your sister-in-law? Because she’s younger, hotter, tighter?

I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

Don’t kill yourself trying to get away from non-Christians. It’s a good thing to be among them. This, I see, as the good of the Men’s Sphere. It’s a place where Christian men who are intent on being a witness–a sign–for Jesus Christ can speak freely to non-Christians.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

So any man who professes Christ, but does not repent of the sins of those sins  should be anathema; he should be shunned. This means that a Christian who says, “I’ll quit later”, or, “Look, the world is the way the world is, and I’m just a squirrel trying to get a nut.” is not to share your company; not even to eat with him. In other words: It is better for you or him to starve than to accept this behavior; this spirit; this essence.

Note also that there is a running assumption that there are no non-Christians in the church of Corinth. You don’t bring a stranger to church to get Christ. You take the Gospel and your witness into the world, and you bring Christians to church for discipleship and communion. What concord does Christ have with Belial?

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Well, here the rubber hits the road for bringing Game into church. Is a church congregation’s problem that its men are weak in understanding women, or is their understanding of women weak because they do not actually believe what is revealed in Scripture that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; that all men and women are full of idolatry, licentiousness, fornication, murder, and other kinds of sin? Have those men been deceived by other men, or have they chosen to believe it because they want to curry favor with women in the hopes of attracting one and getting her drunk enough on pride that she’ll do him the favor of “marrying” (read: sleeping with) him? Now…that’s a different tactic than getting her drunk on pride for having the status granted by a man other women want to have sex with, but it sounds like an applied psychology for seducing women to me…albeit a far less effective one for the tastes of the sinners of our times.

So, now what?

An Eros-driven Christian replacing one worldly system of Game for another is simply a false and vain teaching if Game mean anything  separate than wisdom. In Mansophere terms: It is replacing the lie of Churchianity with the lie of Game. And if Game does mean wisdom, then call it Wisdom, and pursue her. She, unlike Eros and unlike his mother Venus, actually is truth.

20 Wisdom crieth without;
she uttereth her voice in the streets:
21 she crieth in the chief place of concourse,
in the openings of the gates:
in the city she uttereth her words, saying,
22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity?
and the scorners delight in their scorning,
and fools hate knowledge?
23 Turn you at my reproof:
behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you,
I will make known my words unto you.

I take True Love, Feminism, Chivalry, Egalitarianism, Liberal Democracy, Churchianity, and Game all as proof that far, far too much credit has been given to Athens. However; I have to give the Greeks credit for at least one thing: Mixing Eros[1]  and Athena[2]  was one androgynous step too far even for the man-boy-loving Athenians. Nor did they enthrone Hera[3] over Zeus. You need modern scholarship to go to rot if you want to fester this false choice between hermaphroditic and pagan gods. You need convoluted systems of thought manufactured by man, and to fail to abandon them when they break down. Honestly: Look at how hard it is to get people to define “Game”.

But you don’t need much scholarship at all to evade all of that and get wisdom, the truth, and the Truth. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and wisdom is the key to all these things; even lowly things like how to find and attract a wife. Wherever one would find instruction in the fear of the Lord, there is the answer for the question of how to find a good wife: wisdom. One might say good wives come from God.

Game is not the truth anymore than Eros, Athena, Psyche, or Zeus is the truth; none of whom are of Christ, who is the Truth. Yet wisdom is the truth. She belongs to and follows behind and serves the God of Abraham alone.

[1] The vagina-tingle generating fatherless son of the single mother Aphrodite, goddess of physical love, beauty, and pleasure

[2] The dutiful and martial goddess of wisdom and warfare; daughter of the father of gods, Zeus.

[3] Goddess of women and marriage; famous for hen-pecking Zeus. The animals associated with Hera are the cow (dumb women), the lion (beast of beasts), and the peacock (show-offs).

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7 thoughts on “Wisdom

  1. @ Cane
    [I’ve been glad to see the conversations over the past couple weeks on your, Zippy’s, Donal’s. and DS’s sites, and it seems like the kind of conversation that the women should really stay out of so that they don’t distract everyone. However, since you addressed me by name, I want to respond briefly, but I am putting my remark in brackets so that it is clear that I am speaking directly to you and not engaging in a debate or conversation with anyone else.

    The flesh belongs to Satan (That’s why we’re all going to die before we are reclaimed and resurrected.), but the Spirit rightfully belongs to Christ. Not only that, but the job of the destruction of the flesh belongs to Satan; not Cane; not Cane’s children; not SunshineMary’s church; not the Roman Catholics

    You’ve reframed my argument, but that’s probably my fault for not making my metaphor clearer. In any event, the conversation you are responding to is one in which I am replying to a nonChristian (PUA) man, quoted in the OP, who said to me, “We are the Barbarians. We do not want to help Christians fix Rome. We intended to invade and loot Rome.”

    My response to him was, “Well then, after any mutual enemies have been disposed of during the sacking of Rome, I do hope Christian men will convert, cast out, or kill you Barbarians.” Given that he is not a literal, actual Barbarian, it seems to clear to me that I wasn’t talking about a literal actual converting, casting out, or killing. Most people got that; a few didn’t.

    But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. …

    So any man who professes Christ, but does not repent of the sins of those sins should be anathema; he should be shunned.

    They are accepted in the Church and lauded in the manosphere. That is why divorced people remarry in the Church with no word spoken against them. That is why men who both profess to be Christians and run /have run Gaming/ pick up artistry blogs have not a word spoken against them here, strangely, even by the other Christians.

    Don’t kill yourself trying to get away from non-Christians. It’s a good thing to be among them.

    There is “being among them” and then there is letting them destroy you. Is self-defense (either literal or metaphorical) permitted or not? Clearly everyone believes self-defense of any sort is not allowed for Christians. However, our hands are then tied. We can do nothing about the debasing of marriage, for instance, when we do not have the freedom to keep wolves (male and female) out or seriously rebuke those within who call themselves sheep but are distinctly wolfish in character.

    It’s a clever trap actually. Those without have convinced us that we have no right to defend ourselves; we have to allow the wolves and Barbariasn to roam freely among us and pretend they aren’t even there. We will then be blamed for the fact that wolves and Barbarians are destroying both the Church and the surrounding culture. Our hands our tied and we are blamed for then not doing anything.]

  2. Good stuff Cane. I am tempted not to comment at all, since I can only afford to focus on small bits at a time, but I’ll err on the side of small bits over remaining silent.

    One of the things I think you touched on above is the failure of Christians to keep the commands we were given related to marriage. I see this as not only us being unfaithful servants, but Christians (collectively) causing great pain to our neighbors. I think you caught that spirit of failure that I was writing about in the quote you included above. The magnitude of our collective failure here is so great it is difficult to process. The profound failure is spiritual, but it also has very visible costs here and now. There are virtually no people wanting for food in the western world, but we are surrounded by children suffering because Christians are in rebellion against biblical marriage. We couldn’t stop all of this suffering, because of the nature of sin. However, if we simply stopped rebelling against biblical marriage we could set an example and spread the light, and literally millions of children would grow up with fathers who because of our rebellion will not. In addition, by simply following (or at least trying to follow) the Word we could show our neighbors that Christianity is not the foolishness currently advertised as such, but wisdom. The power of the wisdom of what is really in the Bible is obvious, and we are surrounded by people who are thirsting for the light we keep hidden out of misplaced shame. We were trusted with something sacred, something incredibly beautiful, and we treated it with scorn. Our reaction to recognizing how thoroughly we have rejected biblical marriage should be that of Josiah in 2 Kings 22.

  3. Well, here the rubber hits the road for bringing Game into church. Is a church congregation’s problem that its men are weak in understanding women, or is their understanding of women weak because they do not actually believe what is revealed in Scripture that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; that all men and women are full of idolatry, licentiousness, fornication, murder, and other kinds of sin? Have those men been deceived by other men, or have they chosen to believe it because they want to curry favor with women in the hopes of attracting one and getting her drunk enough on pride that she’ll do him the favor of “marrying” (read: sleeping with) him?

    This has the trappings of a straw man. Who is advocating bringing Game into church? If you see specific people making specific arguments, it would help a great deal to link/quote them. Even the purported purpose of using Game doesn’t line up with what KG and I have generally written about. If you look at Roissy’s collection of comments from KG on using Game in marriage, KG’s goal wasn’t to attract a wife, or even to entice a withholding wife to honor her vows. The overall aim was to reduce strife in his marriage (and this is from several years ago). My own writings on Game have focused how I was able to cause my wife to feel more loved, and counseling husbands to lead and avoid frustrating their wives. I’m not arguing that these are the only legitimate uses for Game, but there is a general charge that misuse of Game is being widely advocated by Christian men in the manosphere. I don’t doubt that you can find examples of this, but I think if you look you will find it is far less often than is assumed. We tend to get caught up in metaphors and definitions regarding what Game “is”, and I continue to think it would be much more productive to focus on specifics of where it is being rightly or wrongly applied.

  4. not solely for SSM:
    They are accepted in the Church and lauded in the manosphere
    It’s a clever trap actually. Those without have convinced us that we have no right to defend ourselves; we have to allow the wolves and Barbariasn to roam freely among us and pretend they aren’t even there. We will then be blamed for the fact that wolves and Barbarians are destroying both the Church and the surrounding culture. Our hands our tied and we are blamed for then not doing anything.]
    Why SSM? Who put a gun to the heads of the leaders and members of churches and made that so? How did the convincing happen? All of the churches I have attended since 1982 have been mostly filled with unrepentant sinners. Many of those sinners were pastors, elder, and deacons. Why? I have found that asking why is taboo. Everyone’s church is not like that. It’s all the other churches that are like that. I believe there are tens of thousands, if not millions of believes who do not attend church because in their eyes people in church are less reflective of Phil 4: 8 (Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise) than people who do not go to church.
    I was a Respiratory Therapist for 38 years and there is a national organization called the American Association for Respiratory Care. Only about 30% of RTs are members of that organization. They have made it clear over the years, that while they would like higher participation from RTs, they are never going to change how they do things. I think churches are that same way. If churches promote evil and punish good then the church is illegitimate and needs to be shunned by followers of God. But who will question those basic assumptions which bind you to an organization?

  5. @Dalrock

    This has the trappings of a straw man. Who is advocating bringing Game into church?[…] there is a general charge that misuse of Game is being widely advocated by Christian men in the manosphere. I don’t doubt that you can find examples of this, but I think if you look you will find it is far less often than is assumed.

    “Misuse of Game” is a non-starter with me. My view is still that Game is not–cannot be–different things from here to there. You have an idea of what Game is, but it is not comprehensive; not ecumenical.

    Nevertheless:

    From Vox: “Being truth, Game is a subset of Christianity that happens to relate to an area of particular importance and interest to men.””

    If any subset of Christianity should not be brought into church, why not? Do those in church not need truth as well? Church isn’t the sort of place you’d set-up to teach math, but it is still the sort of place you’d want the basics of math to be generally understood.

    Keep in mind that the nature of men, women, marriage and sex are the very things being corrected by Christ. While His work is happening: Christians are told explicitly that their marriages are the very picture of Christ’s relationship to His bride, the Church. Because of this, we’d better be clear on what we’re advocating as truth.

    Also keep in mind that men, women, spirits, sex, etc. are NOT (no matter how many times it is repeated) like the parts of a gun, or a car, or any other mechanical device. Men, women, spirits, and sex are supposed to operate in a spiritual dimension; not merely the physical. Game, whatever it is, is not solely the province of biology. When you’re operating on the mind, you’re operating on the person; the soul, will, and heart. Since this is what Game works upon (both the man upon himself, and upon the woman for whom he is studying) we’re not talking about stretching your muscles, or lifting weights.

    I think that If I said that it would be very important to get self-help books for Christian women Scripturally correct, and that we ought to diminish any talk of hooking-up smart from Christian books, you wouldn’t have trouble understanding this.

    There are a lot of Christian commenters who agree with such sentiments as “Game is truth”. It’s not only those writing posts, but there are enough of them as well (Dannyfrom504 claims to be Roman Catholic; Rollo has strongly hinted several times, but also declared once that he is a Christian); That does not consider those who have professed to having once been Christian, but now are not because they “realized” Christianity was for “pussies”, or did not have the “truth” of Game.

  6. @Cane

    From Vox: “Being truth, Game is a subset of Christianity that happens to relate to an area of particular importance and interest to men.””

    If any subset of Christianity should not be brought into church, why not? Do those in church not need truth as well? Church isn’t the sort of place you’d set-up to teach math, but it is still the sort of place you’d want the basics of math to be generally understood.

    Keep in mind that the nature of men, women, marriage and sex are the very things being corrected by Christ. While His work is happening: Christians are told explicitly that their marriages are the very picture of Christ’s relationship to His bride, the Church. Because of this, we’d better be clear on what we’re advocating as truth.

    I don’t read you and Vox as being that far apart here, especially given your math analogy. I don’t think Vox is suggesting that Game teaching should be the primary source of knowledge or should be formal teaching in the church.

    Probably a better example which came to mind after I read your response would be my aborted Game for Pastors. That was ill advised.

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