Men’s Sphere Thought Experiment II: Divorce is Just a Tool

Divorce is just a tool, and it can be used for good or for evil. Christian women need divorce because the church is no longer teaching Biblical marriage where a husband loves his wife as Christ loves the Church. If a husband in any way lacks dominance or attraction, then Christian women absolutely must learn the power of divorce.

Because divorce is morally neutral, then we can apply it judiciously. Christian women don’t need to go whole hog divorce, but what’s wrong with a little seasoning? Start lightly; maybe pretend you have a headache tonight, and withhold sex from him.

Divorce is truth: Thousands if not hundreds of thousands of women have encouraged their man to get some skills in attraction and dominance by withholding sex, divorce, and the efficient use of adultery. What’s wrong with her flirting in front of her husband if it causes him display a little manliness? Even if things don’t work out between her and him, she will have left him better than she found him.

If this is wrong, explain why in the comments.

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27 thoughts on “Men’s Sphere Thought Experiment II: Divorce is Just a Tool

  1. Because divorce biblically is not morally neutral. You are comparing apples and oranges.

    You are comparing an act which is evil, (so this premise is on its face false) with behavior patterns (game) which are evil only depending on context. Telling a woman NO. being straight forward and honest is part of marriage game.

    Further, the act of divorce is the use of coercive force to impose a behavior change in the other person. The woman is using the inherent violence of the State to bring her will upon her husband.

    Contra, game is the man changing HIS behavior in order to be more appealing to his wife, to get her to choose to continue loving him, to choose to be loyal.

    An accurate analogy would be instead comparing male game with a woman dressing attractively, of cooking for him, of being affectionate, of supporting him in his dreams, of avoiding nagging all in order to engender his loyalty, to nurture his faith. All things the bible in one way or another instructs a woman to do

  2. Divorce (a legal proceeding) is also evil only depending on context. (Remarriage of a validly married but legally divorced Christian is a different matter: it isn’t possible and is simply adultery).

    Of course the contexts within which divorce is morally licit are few and far between; rather like the contexts in which waging war is just.

    An accurate analogy would be instead comparing male game with a woman dressing attractively…

    Or dressing like a whore and ‘spinning plates’, which is much more likely when she is taking advice from whores and expressing admiration for whores.

  3. Vox writes at the linked post:
    I have great respect for Roissy, for Heartiste, …

    That is the problem with Game right there. If Game were not corrupt it would not lead to admiration of perverts.

  4. @RAG

    You are referring to divorce under Marriage 1.0. This is Marriage 2.0, so divorce here isn’t the same as the divorce God condemns.

    Regardless, the truth and efficacy of divorce is in the Bible. We see it in Bathsheba’s rise from wife of a soldier to queen. God even made her the ancestor of Christ.

    If the term divorce bothers you, just call it something else; outcome independence, irrational self-confidence, wiles–whatever. The point is that the truth of the success of denying your husband is all around us.

  5. @ RAG: “Contra, game is the man changing HIS behavior in order to be more appealing to his wife, to get her to choose to continue loving him, to choose to be loyal.” I failed to grasp on all the ‘game’ sites that the manly attitude being shown was that of the selfless servant husband, loving his wife.

  6. @CA3

    You’re taking divorce too literally. Divorce is just an applied psychology based on maintaining a frame of independence.

    Although, I do think we have to wonder. If marriage is something done by a woman and a man, and the man lacks manliness– the practice of Game–then isn’t just truth to say that it is marriage between a woman and a person lacking the essence of man isn’t really marriage?

  7. I’m sure there are some people who consider this argumentum as absurdum, but I actually knew a woman who divorced her husband, all while still living with him and making her payments on the martial debt, so to speak, as a way of forcing him to get a job. He has been unemployed for several years and they were living off her income as a night clerk at a convenience store while she homeschooled during the day. He built model airplanes in his garage. We all thought she was nuts. Nevermind that at the end of the day she still considered herself married before God and acted as if that was case with her husband, she was using the law as a legal club.

    So it’s not so bad an analogy really. She wasn’t “really” divorcing him in her mind. But with legal entanglements removed, she could leave at anytime and he would have no recourse. She removed from herself all shackles of obligation while thinking she was still acting in a manner perfectly in accord with the Gospel.

  8. I cant tell if you’re creating a parallel argument for game, or something entirely different. But either way. You don’t seem to realize that its bad for women to be controlling sluts in a marriage, but its right for men to be so. Since you probably wont be convinced by argument, Ill just quote some scripture at you. “Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said “How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today disrobing in the sight of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!”… And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.”
    2 Samuel 20-23.
    the LORD says the women of zion are haughty,
    walking along with outstretched necks,
    flirting with their eyes, tripping along the mincing steps,
    with ornaments jingling on their ankles.
    …In that day seven women will take hold of one man and say, “We will eat our own food and provide our own clothes ; only let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace!”
    Isaiah 3:16 – 4:1

  9. @Ezekiel

    I understand that it is bad for women to be controlling sluts in marriage. Divorce sets men free to learn to lead, doesn’t it?

    I’m not saying they have to go to a judge and everything; they just need to adopt a praxeology of divorce: precariously deny sex with their husbands; imitate the attempt to seduce other men as if they were not married; perhaps a trial separation if the situation is dire enough. The point would be to maintain the appearance of independence.

  10. “Because divorce is morally neutral, then we can apply it judiciously. Christian women don’t need to go whole hog divorce, but what’s wrong with a little seasoning? Start lightly; maybe pretend you have a headache tonight, and withhold sex from him.”

    Because game is morally neutral, then we can apply it judiciously. Christian men don’t need to go full on Dark Triad, but what’s wrong with a little seasoning? Start lightly; maybe pretend to be aloof and narcissistic, and run some dread game on her.

    Because knowledge is morally neutral, then we can apply it judiciously. Eve, you don’t need to become God himself, but what’s wrong with a little bit of seasoning? Start lightly; maybe eat some fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

  11. I’m not sure the value in this argument over semantics with the other bloggers. Vox, Keoni, et. al. have all been clear through the entirety of their writtings that they don’t condone the act of seduction per se. However, understanding the truths of feminine nature is not a sin. It can only serve to make better husbands and fathers. The Bible contains these truths and The TRUTH, however it is not nearly as easily understood, especially for those raised in our culture of female idolatry. The churches are rife with the worship of women; therefore men and boys do not recieve the training and education needed to be successful and godly leaders. They simply lack the knowledge that must come before wisdom can be present.

    I can’t help but be reminded of Jesus’s words to the apostles “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” I’m forced to ask myself:
    How can you be wise without knowledge?
    How can you know what traits to select for in a wife?
    How can you identify the behaviors your children are exhibiting that are due to wordly influence and need corrected, especially our daughters?

    I grew up in the Christian tradition and the first time I read Roissy, all my past experiences and interactions with women clicked into place. It provided a framework of understanding about the basic sinful nature of women that I had never recieved. Not one single father, brother, preacher, or teacher ever passed along the knowledge (truth) as pertaining to women. I do not blame them because they too are ignorant of the truth and indoctrinated in the cult of female worship.

  12. In any case I find the wife in the thought experiment funny. Apparently the problem lies in the church yet she takes actions whose roots lie in sin to fix the symptom that is her husband.

    At least we, the gamers in the manosphere are not that stupid. ^_^.

  13. @ lckychrmsrr who says

    “”Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” I’m forced to ask myself:
    How can you be wise without knowledge?””

    Yes! Wisdom is what you seek. But is the foundation of this wisdom in God or something of the world? It is clear!:

    “Avoid Worldly Wisdom

    18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”;”

    You say the problem lies in no one taught you in your church, family, or friends about the sinful nature of women.
    Did you not read what Solomon had to say about women?
    Did you not read what Apostle Paul had to say about women?
    Did you not read what the laws of Moses had to say about women?
    Did you not read about King David and King Solomon’s interactions with women?
    Did you not read about what Jesus said about the sinful nature of all beings besides God?
    Did you not read about Delilah, who was Samson’s downfall?
    Did you not read about Jezebel who was the downfall of many?

    You say you might not know how to look for traits in a wife.
    Did you not read about the traits to look for in a wife from Rebekah?
    Did you not read about how to get a proper wife by comparing Jacob and Esau?
    Did you not read about the traits to look for in a wife from Ruth?
    Did you not read about the traits to look for in a wife from Proverbs 31?
    Did you not read about the fruits of the Holy Spirit, and that you will know them by their fruits?

    You want wisdom. I say sure, go for it. Just be careful where you get it from.
    You quoted be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. When you adopt the wisdom of the world you fulfill the first part, not the second.

  14. You all think you are so wise and clever. Faced with a starving man looking at a bunch of apples with bad spots instead of handing him a knife to cut out the rot, you would tell him to starve and think yourself virtuous.

    You all are the Pharisees of Mark 2:23-27.

  15. @RAG

    That’s a less than true description of what you’re witnessing…much less than true.

    The fact is you literally do not have the words to describe what you are seeing because they’ve been stolen from you by circumstance, time, and seduction.

  16. @ James and the Giant Peach

    Your response proves my point. I was unable to see the wisdom/truth in those scriptures before it was laid out for me in a way that clearly codified my past experiences. After all, you don’t know what you don’t know. After my eyes were opened, I could look back and see where the Bible does provide wisdom. However, because of my lack of proper instruction, I could not discern it on my own. Look back at the list above. How many of those lessons are clearly laid out and explained? Do they follow each other logically in sequence so the impact of their teaching is evident? Not everyone is going to be able to read the Bible and come away with understanding. Looking back on my upbringing I am sometimes angry at how little was actually taught. My education was lacking and I remained as one “on milk, not solid food”.

    It is only in the last few years that I have begun to learn just how deficient my knowledge and understanding is. There is a vast gulf between the ability to answer “Bible-Bowl” style trivia questions and the wisdom and understanding that comes from real study. I previsouly lacked the spiritual maturity to see the lessons contained in scripture. Sadly, I find this to be the case with many of the so called leaders in the modern churces as well. Where the wordly wisdom matches the wisdom of God, we should spread this.

    Again, I make the case that this entire exercise is one of semantics. The term “game” and its definition has been debated ever since I first stumbled upon it 5 years ago. The PUAs stumbled upon the same wisdom contained in God’s word. The same wisdom displayed in the stories listed above. They took to the Internet and shared how they used that new found knowledge for sinful means. The truth is what it is, regardless of the source. They wrote truth and it resonated with me.

    Should we emulate the PUA, by all means NO! Can we reasonibly recognize that they have explained many of the same truths found in the Bible? Yes. Cane is right to point out the danger inherent in reading the writings of PUAs. The allure of their sinful lifestyle can lead the innocent astray. Some can read their writings and filter out the truth and discard the rest. Some will struggle to no sin after reading them. No one gets to pick their particular temptation.

    When Dalrock and others say Christians need game. They mean Christians need knowledge and understanding of the fallen nature of females. They need to be equipped with techniques to husband their wives and combat the culture wide brainwashing we have all recieved. In a lack of any training and education on how, we need techniques. How exactly does one “husband”? Specifically? Day-to-day, what are they specific actions and words needed? And in what situations? And how can you identify when it is the correct situation?

  17. I would add to the conversation that the fundamental difference I am seeing here is that there is a difference between a man leading his wife to embrace her duty joyfully, and a man simply trying to manipulate her into better behaviour. I think that is where our host, as well as men like Zippy, part ways with the Christian Game crowd.

  18. Kind of boring imho, you still insist on one particular definition of game, which suits your arguments, but which by far isn’t generally accepted. Your opponents say, that game is amoral or at best(in relation to your argument) in a somewhat gray zone – none of this can be said about divorce, as Bible clearly says when it’s ok and when it’s not.
    You can go all day about how everything conceivable about women (I mean the part of wisdom, that according to you game uses) is hidden in Bible(and therefore it’s completely useless to study game) , but as hard as you try (for example your way to show how to deal with shit-tests based on Proverbs was indeed very novel – and honestly, unconvincing – at best it showed that some of that wisdom concerning women is hidden very well and very deep) even you are obviously drawing from the game framework, when you use (and expect knowledge of) such terms as “shit-test” – which leaves us with two possible explanations – either game isn’t entirely bad, or you preach water but drink wine…

    P.S.:
    “Did you not read about how to get a proper wife by comparing Jacob and Esau?” – if I remember correctly, you(could be someone else, though) gave recently Jacob as negative example of how men themselves choosing wives wasn’t optimal and I really see neither of them as example worth following for getting proper wife…

  19. For the record, the Bible doesn’t really offer a lot of examples of prudent wives. Abigail, Ruth, Esther spring to mind. Oh, and Hannah.

    None of the marriages where Scripture offers us more than a glimpse can be called upon as an example of sterling marital relationships.

    We should do things God’s way because it’s right, not because we’re looking for any guarantees of marriage on flowery beds of ease.

  20. Analogy isn’t perfect but yes it illustrates the point. As to Bathsheba I’m not keen on the reference. I don’t know of anything that directly condemns her. I don’t know if turning down a Bronze Age monarch who won the kingdom by force is possible. And she never divorced. David is punished but Bathsheba isn’t. The Jewish Sages also have her being revealed by Satan and not displaying.

  21. @ Ras Al ghul, lckychrmsrr

    We will say the world did a bad job at teaching, as did the church, and family and friends, and to top it off, we have this retarded Pharisee James and the Giant Peach giving advice. The world is fallen! Thankfully we have someone to give us a knife to save ourselves in this fallen world, no?

    The Bible is the knife, or should I say sword. What the Bible is not: a step by step instruction manual. When Jesus talked to the people of his time, did he immediately give the lesson he wanted them to learn, or was the knowledge he gave hidden in some way. In fact did not Jesus PRAISE God for hiding this knowledge? Did he not speak in riddles, parables, foreknowledge? In the same way the Bible speaks to us. You say it is not easy, I say it was never supposed to be easy!

    Time and time again the Bible talks about the value and worth of wisdom, how hard it is to get it, to keep meditating on the word day and night, to look at worldly wisdom as NOTHING compared to the wisdom God gives us. And he also guaranteed it would be hard and guaranteed you will have suffering as Sons of God.

    @ lckychrmsrr who said “Where the wordly wisdom matches the wisdom of God, we should spread this.”

    Do you actually believe this? Do you still believe worldly wisdom can match the wisdom of God at any place, despite all the times God has told you it won’t even come close? Is God wrong or is he pointing to a greater way we have missed?

    “The PUAs stumbled upon the same wisdom contained in God’s word. The same wisdom displayed in the stories listed above. They took to the Internet and shared how they used that new found knowledge for sinful means. The truth is what it is, regardless of the source. ”

    Did they find truth or did they find elements of the truth? Didn’t Pharisees and the teachers of the law have elements of the truth taken from these stories? Even Satan tried to make Jesus sin by using elements of the truth found in the Bible, no? Source doesn’t matter yet Jesus tells us not to eat the bread and yeast from dubious sources. Source doesn’t matter yet God tells us worldly wisdom is nothing, and to seek wisdom through Him.

    “Specifically? Day-to-day, what are they specific actions and words needed? And in what situations? And how can you identify when it is the correct situation?”

    Concerning ourselves with specifics before concerning ourselves with the foundation is like being obsessed with the frosting of cake before we actually bake the base of the cake. Aside from loving our wives, the Bible doesn’t really say much what to do as a husband. But does it not teach us to how to be a brave and bold man in the face of dangerous animals, dangerous men, dangerous spirits? Does it not teach us the art of discipline, hard work, and having joy under our burdens? Does it not teach us to not tolerate sin in our churches and households, and does it not teach us the right way to fix it? Does it not tell us to fear God instead of man? Does God not say the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom? Aren’t these things the truth?

    You lay the foundation right, you learn from the good source and you won’t have to worry about the specifics.

  22. Is there a biblical basis for saying that a man is a sinner for sex with sluts? I keeping hearing that game is evil because the men who practice it use it to have sex with sluts. So please provide the basis for that idea.

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