What I’ve Been Thinking

I have an unexpected break from work so I thought I’d shoot out a post on the things about which I’ve been thinking.

  1. The hope in nationalism is misplaced. European peoples didn’t evolve into civilized societies because of time or technology. The good which came about in Europeans was the result of the Gospel of Christ having been spread among and accepted by Europeans. Christianity came out of the Middle East, and elevated Europe. As the Middle East left Christianity, the Middle East became crap. Now the West has left Christianity for post-Christianity and the West is going to crap. The longing for the old days of nationalism is on its face evidence of its bankruptcy as an idea because our hope is to be–because it really is–in Christ alone. To turn your face to the past, or towards an -ism instead of towards Christ is foolishness and idolatry.
  2. The problems I have with my neighbors (the people I live next to, work with, shop with, go to church with, extended family, etc.) stems from the fact that they aren’t Christian and they have no interest in Christ. What I mean here is that I can see neither evidence, nor even interest, in living like Christ or even talking about Christ. There’s no transformation. They have no interest in a relationship with Christ. There’s not even a struggle. This is true of almost every one I know. My neighbors all call themselves Christian, but in fact are post-Christians. They believe in do-gooderism (especially towards themselves), psychology bullshit, emotionalism, and materialism. They do not believe they are servants of the Most High God and they should be seeking His will daily. They do not believe that the Holy Spirit is a real and active person who should be sought out, obeyed, and inquired. They do not believe that the contents of the Bible are relevant to their lives except as decoration.
  3. The West is dying because Western husbands and fathers have not taught their families to be the Lord’s, and to be faithful to the Lord, as the highest priority. Social Justice (and all its sub-idols: Feminism, Identity Politics, etc.) is just the latest in a very long line of anti-Christ -isms which stands in the vacuum where Jesus Christ should be. Even Patriarchy itself is not a cure for the West. Patriarchy is not a system which can be properly wielded by a people divorced from the will of God. Don’t misunderstand me: It remains that Patriarchy is the tool which God wants us to wield in His service.
  4. The most important blocks of a society are family and church and neighbors. As men we should see to the protection and provision of these institutions and their members above all other horizontal (on the Earth) concerns. Until we begin to put these in order, good state policies will elude and confound us. This is a spiritual truth, and the spirit is greater and more real than the flesh.
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42 thoughts on “What I’ve Been Thinking

  1. My wife is currently facilitating a women’s Bible study at church and is about to go nuts dealing with the women attending. All but one skip the homework (which consists of reading and transcribing Bible passages, then examining key words using a concordance). The majority of the women have been in the church for years but their theological ignorance is staggering, even on the very basics of the faith.
    This lead us to discuss what I have been reading in Jeremiah, where God is promising judgment to Jerusalem, which parallels where the West is to a large degree – a veneer of religiosity over an unrighteous society.

    Jeremiah 6:16 reads:

    “Thus says the Lord:
    “Stand by the roads, and look,
    and ask for the ancient paths,
    where the good way is; and walk in it,
    and find rest for your souls.
    But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’”

    He told them what they needed to do. He gave them warning.

    A bit earlier, the Lord said:

    To whom shall I speak and give warning,
    that they may hear?
    Behold, their ears are uncircumcised,
    they cannot listen;
    behold, the word of the Lord is to them an object of scorn;
    they take no pleasure in it.
    Therefore I am full of the wrath of the Lord;
    I am weary of holding it in.

    I am sobered by those last words. As the wrath of God is held back and held back and held back… to the point where God is weary of holding it back any more. God is indeed merciful and long-suffering. But only to a point. Where is that point for us?

  2. “Christianity came out of the Middle East, and elevated Europe. As the Middle East left Christianity, the Middle East became crap. Now the West has left Christianity for post-Christianity and the West is going to crap.” ~ CC

    I’ve been saying this since I returned from my first deployment to Iraq (which was once largely Christian).

    “Even Patriarchy itself is not a cure for the West. Patriarchy is not a system which can be properly wielded by a people divorced from the will of God. Don’t misunderstand me: It remains that Patriarchy is the tool which God wants us to wield in His service.”

    That’s a message a lot of our brothers haven’t received yet. Handing patriarchy over to a non-Christian culture would be like handing a framing hammer to a chimp. Little good can come of it.

  3. Cane,

    I’m glad to see that you’re back, at least for a bit, and I have enjoyed and profited from reading your blog.

    I disagree that hope in Nationalism is misplaced. I think the recent resurgence in nationalism, particularly in America, but certainly in its nascent forms in Europe, is a great cause for hope.

    I am surprised, frankly, that you disagree, and I think this contradicts your last two points. Of course one of our greatest responsibilities as stewards is to protect and look after our own families, our neighbors, and our church (which ideally is composed of both of the former).

    A political movement which aims to return to doing just that, and to replace a system which praises itself for doing the opposite (ruling for the benefit of aliens and at the expense of host populations), is greatly to be desired and no more of a distraction from Christ than any other good thing which can be made into an end in and of itself.

    I also think that you overstate the problem of godlessness to Nationalism. You are right that Patriarchy, like Nationalism, will not by itself cure us. Further both are tools that will be improperly understood and used without a reference to the divine (which is perhaps why our godless age has rejected both…). There is much work yet to be done. But shouldn’t we be excited about a movement which turns us away from an abnormal and unnatural system and returns us to a normal and natural one?

    Further, shouldn’t we support such a movement?

    The troubling thing to me about the disparagement of Nationalism that I have seen recently in many Christian circles (“Maybe God doesn’t want America to be great again”…) is that it allows us to evade the responsibility of outlining the problems with our current system (with all the social stigma that would involve), hamstrings us from helping or even becoming involved in and directing the Nationalist movement, and lets us fit in with the current political climate albeit with Christian rather than secular justifications for those feelings: Nationalism is bad not because it is non-inclusive, or insufficiently tolerant, but because it doesn’t “rely enough on Christ,” whatever that means.

  4. I think this is a false dilemma along the lines of Should I follow Christ, or paint my house blue?

    Yes, we should follow Christ, and yes our abandoning Christianity is the root of many of our social problems. But doing less dumb things at a policy is better than more dumb things nationally, even though it doesn’t bring us to Christ.

  5. The issue here is that nationalism did work for a time, namely when many nationalities were following the same religion. And, when multiple nationalities were following the same religion, nationalism was a luxury which elevated society even to greater heights. Perhaps, C.C., you used a present-tense verb formation to represent this, it’s possible…

    Today, nationalism is used to fool people away from moral principles far too often. However, different forms of Christianity, i.e. religions can be seen as successful in non-European populations. Maybe that should be encouraged, but I think it shouldn’t because concern about populations far away can be more easily stolen away for political and commercial goals.

    In the end, the thing for Christians to do is to find ways to fight the decadence at home, to press the charge of idolatry against the apostates, and, when civil courts fail to represent the interests of Christians, ecclesiastical courts should be built to fill the gap in justice.

  6. @Dalrock

    I think this is a false dilemma along the lines of Should I follow Christ, or paint my house blue?

    Every way I look at that analogy it is terrible, so I assume I do not understand what you mean.

  7. As a Czech I consider American nationalism really funny, because Americans were never one nation in the ethnical sense (real americans=only people of european descent? lol, just look at EU – we are not and will never be one nation) and it’s quite likely that main reason for America’s huge success in the past was that they were literally “one nation under God” in the sense of being society built on shared christian values and principles, not on the fact that they all had European ancestors.

  8. @Cane Caldo

    Every way I look at that analogy it is terrible, so I assume I do not understand what you mean.

    Fair enough. Although it is probably the other way around, and it is me who doesn’t understand your point. One thing which would probably help is to understand how you are using the term nationalism, since it could mean anything from skinheads to Brexit.

  9. Yes, we should follow Christ, and yes our abandoning Christianity is the root of many of our social problems. But doing less dumb things at a policy is better than more dumb things nationally, even though it doesn’t bring us to Christ.

    Doing less dumb things isn’t better at all. In fact, it’s completely irrelevant. “Unless the LORD builds the house, those who build it labor in vain.” It doesn’t matter what the pagans plot to do at a national level because God isn’t involved, and therefore their plans will fail in time. It doesn’t matter what they plan, it will fail.

  10. >Doing less dumb things isn’t better at all. In fact, it’s completely irrelevant…because God isn’t involved

    Not quite – Jeremiah 29, 1 Timothy 2, Romans 13 and others encourage us (admittedly as _a_ part of walking with God) to pray for and seek the good of the pagans we live amongst.

    Is the nationalism trend in the secular world something we can support in part as we participate, or evil that we must oppose?

  11. Political ambitions have stripped what should be Christian communites from the community aspect in far, far too many instances. Ecclesiastical courts as supplements during especially ungodly periods is not optional. Lead, follow, or get out of the way, to be frank.

    I was reading Foxe’s Book about the important church patriarch, the Archbishop Cranmer, today. He was ready to concede that Nero was the terrestrial head of the church in St Peter’s day in order to invalidate the papacy’s claim to the title… Massive character!

    A.J.P.

  12. What does this have to do with the fact that we do not want invaders in our country? We can push out Muslims, illegals, Jews and other undesirables while following Christ. Torquemada or Charles Martel.

    Whether or not the Church is with us, nationalism will still rise.

  13. Pilgrim of the East, yeah America is a deracinated country. We get it. We still have people here who do not belong here and whom we wish to expell from our ranks.

  14. @Ajax

    Martel’s backyard was actually Christian. Martel fought for a Christian people. America is not a Christian land. The void created by a modern Martel would be filled by the contents of our backyard: sentimentalists, sensualists, materialists, pantheists, charlatans, ursurers, whores, and sodomites.

  15. So we’re going to abandon our countrymen and watch as our country becomes a third world hell hole because America isn’t Christian?

    Thank God the Roman Christians didn’t give up so easily on Rome! They didn’t advocate for the flooding of their country with Germanic, Scythian, or Hunnic barbarians because their countrymen were horrible people.

    Yeah America is not Christian. What does that have to do with not wanting it to become an even worse place? We stop immigration and expell problem groups and our culture will have time to heal.

  16. @Ajax

    When you’re done practicing empty rhetoric and have a substantive statement or question which addresses something I’ve written: Let me know.

  17. I consign this whole damn post, especially point #2. When people tell me they are “Christians”, I have come to automatically let it go in one ear and out the other.

  18. Good points all, Cane. Also ditto what Pedat Ebediyah says above. Until the problems you address in Point 2 are resolved, the prospects for 1, 3, and 4 seem bleak.

  19. Cane, tell me what America not being Christian has to do with nationalism and immigration policy.

    The churches have been complicit in filling this country and other Western country to the gills with unassimibles. The churches have watered down their doctrines to make Muslims, Jews, liberals, atheists, and homosexuals feel better about themselves.

    Ultimately, the churches have failed both us and God. The spiritual crisis is a problem that we can sort out later (though I assume it will involve Florian Geyeresque means to fix). Right now we have to take care of the invader problem and the hostile elite problem. Nationalism is our only means.

  20. I resonate strongly with #2. I feel like I’m on an island. No male friends I care to associate with, because most are the do-gooder empty Christians you describe. Thanks for making me feel less alone.

  21. The “do-gooder” meme is really sick. Are people doing the wrong thing doing good? If you’re talking this way, maybe the issue is that you’re not being manly and straightforward enough in other areas…

  22. The “do-gooder” meme is really sick. Are people doing the wrong thing doing good? If you’re talking this way, maybe the issue is that you’re not being manly and straightforward enough in other areas…

  23. Good is a potent word, don’t use it in sarcasm. Sarcasm is dishonest, and should especially be avoided while using important words.

    Let me know if that’s clearer, thank you…

    A.J.P.

  24. You mentioned my Word Press account, and now I’ll see if it’s functional… Seem to remember a glitch posting something with it only a moment ago.. Also, I don’t think my comments go through at your friend “Empath”‘s site, so of course, getting the ban is to be considered…

  25. Got to do something else, “Cane Caldo” and of course R.P.C., whose comment gave me a thought about the topic…

    Isaiah 5:20 “Woe to them call good evil and evil good”

    “Do-gooder” is not what dysfunctional people should be called. There are many different words, but I think it most Christian to point out where they are wrong, probably men being effeminate and trying to make things soft like in the manner of a woman. But, also instead of calling them “do gooders” what about evil doers? What about calling brothers that have become far too worldly and who don’t have that priority on transcendent righteousness, and who try too much to make people concerned about worldly factors instead of a godly peacefulness?

    If people really want to use “do-gooder” then I would point out the verse about “holier than thou” from which they may be so inspired is sort of in contradiction with the verse posted above. Therefore, since scripture in fact does not contradict, perhaps context should be understood.

  26. @AJP

    I’m not sensitive, C.C.

    Your stoicism in the face of such dire sarcasm is noted.

    You understood that I used “do-gooder” sarcastically. That means you know I haven’t ascribed evil as good; which means youre just nagging.

    I don’t ban earnest (and therefore valued) commenters for having a bad day. You’re having a bad day, AJP; at least here.

  27. Well, not exactly. If you’re looking at certain parts of Neo-Reaction, or even Alt. Right, they talk extensively about “holiness spirals” or “purity spirals” when people show disgust for things like homosexuality. This to me seems like a problem, to the degree of shooting oneself in the foot. “Do-gooder” is the way that they often open the door to such statements, also by calling things Puritanical, when purity- the root word, is traditionally held as a Christian virtue.

    Of course that pertains to nationalism, as both of the afore mentioned use Nationalism as self-description. As a consequence, I’m curious to see if other self-describing Christians are watching that sort of thing.

    Feminism is another thing, because it leads to weaknesses in other parts of society. I don’t think that women can stop Feminism on their own, so then the right thing to do is for Christian men to do what’s needed in preventing the situation that leads to Feminism. In that way, Feminism is seen as a good thing, because it’s like a warning siren. Nationalism, which appears to be something else that comes from a weak society, should be seen as good in the same way that it indicates a warning that must be fixed at the community level, strengthening those same communities. With this understanding, answers aren’t found in Feminism or in Nationalism, but they’re also not found in the direct opposite, anti-Feminism or anti-Nationalism.

    If I am not coming across as polite, then “Cane”, perhaps it is because I am trying to advance a dialogue. I think it was you and the other commenter were saying that they would like Christians to talk to that are of more substantial stuff, or of character. In fact, I look for Christians like that too, and is my intent in writing comments at different places.

  28. Alan (sorry Cane to make cross talk here)

    I have ever banned only one person and it isn’t you. Nor do I pluck your comments from moderation and toss them. I have no idea what the matter is.

  29. What I was referring to with “do-gooderism,” and what I think Cane was referring to (at least in-part), is a tendency for modern Christians to have a James-in-reverse problem where they focus on performing good works – at least outwardly – and being “nice,” but have no substantial faith in the God of the bible. They are weak nice-guys who go to church and white-knight around the neighborhood to make themselves feel good, but when it comes to proclaiming the name of Jesus, defending God’s Word, and making every day a struggle to actually make Jesus the center of every thought, word, and deed, they are empty. All they do is focus on externals: never get angry, make your wife happy, don’t look at that attractive woman, absolutely never look at pornography….but there is no actual desire for Jesus, no love of the bible, no eternal perspective, no thirst for the living God.

    Many of the men I go to church with were raised middle-class and are the beta white-collar types, so doing good is habitual. There’s no way to know with any given church-goer if their good deeds actually reflect a transformed heart, or are instead the product of years of middle-class cultural training. That’s why it’s so important to see true faith. It seems to be in short supply, at least in the part of the country where I live.

  30. The thing is, that if some kind of Christian idea or ideology is going to substitute for nationalism (the hardness, the political noise and political attention), then it’s not going to be a pretty or respectable thing, certainly not in early stages. In fact, I was recently reading something about a “Christian nationalist” or something who was in prison and whose name escapes me, but yet I was not that interested because I knew it was another “Ruby Ridge”, “Waco”, go in the woods type, which has been easy for the government (at least in recent memory) to suppress with a quickness. And, that’s why I’m interested in urban communities, after all, cities is where the power is, and there are already tonnes of ethnic groups, from the gaudy traditional (subcontinental) Indians, to followers of Mahommed, to Orthodox Jews that do it. When do Christians get tough and productive urban communities, and not run off to the hills? That sort of being able to close ranks in a community is what I’m talking about when I say don’t give the people doing it wrong the label of “good” or “nice” or especially “purity”, “virtue” or “holiness” like other strong blog communities such as the sketchy versions of nationalists do.

    A weak spot should be called out for that, a dishonest person isn’t a good-guy when he suppresses his potentially productive but necessarily risky anger at a bad situation. Let’s not complain about their hypocrisy without naming where they’ve gone wrong, is what I mean. Every Christian has a prayer book in his Bible, and it’s called the Psalter or Book of Psalms, which is great for building character if it’s read straight-through monthly. Whoever is weak should be put on that, instead of the latest fashionable hymn. Let’s not call those dim-bulbs “nice”. Nice is the men who show up, charged up, and ready to find that sword Jesus mentioned. If Christians don’t rectify discrepancies, then they’ll, or we’ll, continue to be taken advantage of.

    In another way, R.P.C., I’m frustrated by conservatives, because in so many ways going into this mindset legitimises the really depraved left. And liberal is supposed to be good thing, at least according to the Holy Bible! The conservative stereotypically is the one who says things like “Nice guys finish last”, but you know what Christ said that he’s both Alpha-and-Omega, the beginning and the ending, so is finishing last really such a negative quality? All types are needed in a community, and therefore honesty is needed or else the smaller people team up to take down the strong one in the cause of justice. Therefore, strong borders are needed at the community level or else all of the good stuff leaks out to the world…

    E.,

    I’m pretty sure that a long while ago a comment of mine went through, but I tried more recently and nothing. It doesn’t make sense that at “Free Northerner” which has the similar commenting graphic user interface I can do it on my FireFox browser, but at this very blog I must use Internet Explorer to do it, at least it doesn’t make sense until one considers that there is a lot of software between here and there.

    A.J.P.

  31. Disagree that Patriarchy is just a tool. Rather Patriarchy is inherent in Christianity properly understood its a mode or social organization that is fundamental to our current earthly lives in conformity with the will of God

    In doing this we act as symbols of Christ and his Church as well as the Fatherhood of God in relation to creation, especially to creatures made in his image.

    Through Patriarchy as commanded by God we glorify him and demonstrate his majesty.

    Where there’s the Kingdom of God there’s Patriarchy.

  32. @CC
    Your article is spot on but referring to a obedience to God as a tool is bad analogy. Game could be referred to as a toolbox but I cannot see how a way of life that is obedient to God is a tool.

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