WAN Manual Discussion 4: Defining the Spheres of Conflict

In the years of our Lord, Who rules and Who we obey, there are two institutions which most concern the Christian man, according to His word: The family, and the church. Everything else is secondary at best. This hasn’t been stated clearly enough on my blog, but it informs every post. That doesn’t mean we ignore politics and business and other things. It means we order them accordingly, and we understand that those secondary things must be in service to the family and the church. Anyone who wishes to work for a healthy nation must follow the Lord’s way, and His way goes through the family and the church.

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12 thoughts on “WAN Manual Discussion 4: Defining the Spheres of Conflict

  1. @MtC

    Yes. I put it in the order of revelation because they are intertwined for the married man. The man who’s family is not in submission to Christ should focus on ministering to his family first; though not in exclusion to the church.

  2. @CC

    You think that a lot of so called “Christians” do not act the part is due to the fact that churches are using carnal means to attract people?

    Leading to the carnal living a life of sin that think that they are Christian.

    Also a video that i have found that seems to explain why so many “churches” are full of the spiritually dead:

  3. I’m not sure if I agree Malcolm. The family is the first church. It is where the ordinary minister of such, the father who is an icon of the Father, resides. It is of these local and particular churches that The Church is composed.

  4. And I get it…you have content now…and near daily postings…which means I get to be habitual about good things!

  5. @iw1

    You think that a lot of so called “Christians” do not act the part is due to the fact that churches are using carnal means to attract people?

    Yes, but I do not prefer to use that phrasing (carnal) in our times because a large segment of Christians don’t understand it, and actually abuse it. If I say that yoga pants aren’t modest, and therefore not appropriate for Christians, some Christian female yob is going to reply that my observation is “carnal Christianity”. That’s ludicrous.

    Here’s another common example: A man is in crisis because his wife is pursuing divorce. The typical Christian response (especially if that Christian is a conservative man) is that this is a real sad story, but the husband needs to “shape up” and “figure it out”; i.e., the needs to bootstrap himself like a Real American Man such as himself. To expect someone to reprove the wife, or to give the husband a place to sleep or to replace the money which has been emptied from his accounts is just a “carnal concern”.

    The actual Christian response is to treat our own property as carnal things, and so we don’t mind giving it up for the sake of modesty, or investing it in those who need it more.

    @GKC

    And I get it…you have content now…and near daily postings…which means I get to be habitual about good things!

    Bring it on, sucka!

  6. I also see family as God’s 1st ordained institution. Garden of Eden, Adam, Eve, kids…. seems to be a large amount of time between when the Almighty establishes the family before He establishes a priest hood. Then the way Paul sets the standards for church leadership seems to reinforce family 1st; churches are supposed to be lead by mature men with proven track records of successfully managing their life and family.
    Paul also lists man being created 1st as a reason for masculine authority and headship over the family; seems congruent the same would apply to which is a man’s priority.

    Not family above God, but family before church. As in, when you are younger and live with your parents, your duty and obligations are to honoring your mother and father. When you are a young man with a woman and kids, you tend to those responsibilities 1st. When you are older, and your family becomes more established, you naturally have more free time to devout toward church, but family matters are still to be tended to 1st

    Legit about how the church responds to a wife divorcing her husbabd, or really any sort of failure on her part. They are fighting because she spends to much money? He’s told to spend less on himself, make more money, to “love her more” etc and she’ll return. Destroys the family and any credibility the church may have left..

    I will note, the Christian man o sphere melted down when I said those advocating men engage in state sanctioned marriages should be willing to cover part of a man’s alimony etc if it fails. Point is, the idea we should support men going through divorce etc in material ways is not well received, even by red pill/ man o sphere Christian men.

  7. @SFC Ton

    All good points on the importance of family.

    Point is, the idea we should support men going through divorce etc in material ways is not well received, even by red pill/ man o sphere Christian men.

    Yessir, but there are some who do.

  8. @ A.J.P.

    When a Pharisee asked Christ (Luke 10:25-37)…

    “And who is my neighbor?”

    …Christ replied by telling the Parable of the Good Samaritan. At the end of the story, Christ asked the Pharisee…

    36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

    37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

    Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

    That’s how we answer your question.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37

  9. Not family above God, but family before church.

    “Family before church” doesn’t make sense when Jesus redefined family to be the church.

    “Who is my mother, and who is my brother? … whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

    You might call it the not-church for not doing the will of our Father in heaven. Then it’s not family before church, but church before not-church.

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